24 Feb 2012 @ 8:44 PM 
 

Estate auction New York

 

Estate sale in Brooklyn New York.

Dear $email,

I was asked to promote an estate auction in New York.

Owner was an eclectic life long collector!
There are many African carvings, masks and bronzes.

This is a tag sale (not an auction) which takes place on

——– Friday March 2, 2012 from 10am-4pm.  ———-

There are no tags yet, so please tell us what price you would put on it and it will be your offer.

The event is at 5403 Beverley Rd.

Brooklyn NY 11203

Offers from collectors not at the sale can be sent to: madelinewi20@gmail.com

Please click on the link for more info and pictures:    http://fullofsurprizes.net/1489918.html

Since this email is sent to 5,000 collectors of African Art, if you like something please
make a reasonable bid, but remember the objects have not been vetted.
Hope you enjoyed this edition full of surprizes,

David Norden

P.S.: To see the collection please visit :
http://fullofsurprizes.net/1489918.html

P.S.2 : Read my reaction on the reaction about this estate sale

http://africanartclub.com/african-art/i-owe-you-an-apology-african-art-estate/

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Tags Categories: african art Posted By: nordend
Last Edit: 26 Feb 2012 @ 02 41 PM

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  1. John says:

    Unfortunately, Alan the owner’s son hired the worst company to hold the tag sales Full of surprises tag sales Medline Winn has got to the bottom of the barrel. She has no experience in retail sales and gives it away just last week she sold an item for $200 which sold for $3759 on EBay. On top of that she has a deal with this guy Mike who is an xcon and went to jail for murdering his wife, this guy is so bad that he lives on Medicaid earning well over $17500.00 a year. We think she has a deal with him so she could make the real money after the sale what a dirt bag company. Any way Alan it would be best if you where at the sale so she can not rip you off

  2. charlie says:

    Alan,
    If you want my opinion, John sounds like an ass hole.
    What I really want to know is: if I make an offer or a tag or a bid, will the object be mailed to my location or do I need to rent a car or a van or a truck and drive to Brooklyn to get it?
    Sorry for your loss and thank you for your time.

    Charlie Passacantando

    • Alan Ribner says:

      Hi Charlie,

      I will send any items to online bidders. The only thing I am not sure of is the cost of shipping. My inclination would be to have a professional wrap it and ship it. I suppose I could just communicate the cost when I am told, then wait to ship it when I have those additional funds. I’m reasonable.

      God I hope those comments by John are not true!

      Thanks,

      Alan

  3. Alan Ribner says:

    Hi David,

    I really am enjoying all the reactions (good and bad). I’m finding myself looking forward to reading them.

    This really should be an open forum, like a message board on your club web site for ALL to read!. You could title it:

    “Reactions to the promotion of a non professional sale I promoted”.

    Then post all the negative comments,then your “apology email”…and then all the reactions to that.

    I am positive your readership will love this! And if they could do there own posting so you do not have to, even better!

    This kind of public cross talk on different topics in your field is very enjoyable for all!

    Thanks again,

    Alan

  4. Alan Ribner says:

    I will take any online bidders item to a professional shipper to have it wrapped up and shipped. But the cost of that will have to be added. I truely hope John’s comment is not accurate. I did references before I hired her. I realize she is not an expert. And I realize some items may be the deal of a life time like you describe, but I hope there is no dishonesty.

    -Alan

  5. Jackson McDonald says:

    No apology required, David. I enjoyed reading your message and the heartfelt letter from son Alan. I am a true believer that it is possible to find gems amongst so-called “junk” —- because I have done so. Clearly, the owner was an eclectic collector and, judging from his collection, he was probably a colorful character, too — someone I would have enjoyed knowing.

  6. klaus says:

    hello, i am a collector of african art since yrs, my sources include auction houses as christies and sothebys. looking at the items in brooklyn its easy to say for me that five or six will end up at sothebys in the high end class.
    enjoy bidding, klaus

  7. Mark says:

    I lived for 25 years in Manhattan, and tribal art was my main avocation. I spent many, many hours at the Met, at the auction houses, and at Far-n-Wide. All had something to offer – objects, but also an education and good conversation. I remember one afternoon when I came into the shop; Mr. Ribner was discussing current events with Paul Volcker, who was a customer. Many of the objects he offered were new and were priced accordingly. Others, mostly functional objects, were right in every way but not the sort of things that receive a high value from the market. Mr Ribner was one-of-a- kind. He was a fixture in the neighborhood and he should be honored for his work and his passion.

    • Alan Ribner says:

      Thank you Mark . Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad to hear you knew my father. You so beautifully captured a slice of what he and his business was like. Even though it was a business, he had all these “regulars” who would come by for good conversation and to share a laugh.

      -Alan

  8. Dan says:

    Wasn’t there, didn’t see it, but I can imagine how the place looked. I’ve been to many, many estate sales and flea markets over the last forty years, where things were in a jumble, dirty, etc. But David is correct that if one wants to take a chance on finding gold among the dross, then one should be willing to get on their knees and start grubbing around. It’s the name of the game at some of these sales. It’s cheap because you have to dig for it. And who cares who does the sale. You are there for the stuff, not the tea party. Also, ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with the sale are counterproductive and frankly, juvenile.

  9. nordend says:

    I got many reactions by email, please find some below:

    To Everyone Concerned:

    I am replying on my husband’s account. He was so horrified at the outrage people expressed at the dirt and dust, that he showed me the pictures and the son’s reply. What on earth is wrong with these people? I am 31, and about to go bankrupt myself due to health problems associated with Celiac disease. The collection is absolutely gorgeous and should be considered a wet dream. If I had the cash, I would buy every single piece of jewellery shown in the pics. Dust wipes off. Jewellery can be polished. Furthermore, if the individuals offended are so elite, they can just order their servants to clean the new pieces. When you go to a museum, and look at all the pretty things behind the glass, remember how much of that came out of the ground, the dirt itself. And when you’re older, and your body starts to crap out on you, and the medical bills just pile up and up with no end in sight and no way to pay, and you can’t afford to have servants cleaning up after you, I hope you look back on this experience and realize just how shallow and petty you were being over an issue that, if anything, will only serve to lower the price, making this collection an excellent investment, as, once everything is cleaned and polished, its value can only increase.

    To the son, I am deeply sorry for your loss, and even sorrier for the callousness and pettiness that you have had to endure during this painful time. David Norden, you owe no one an apology, we owe you and the estate holder one, and since no one else will give it, I will.

    Sincerely,
    Mark and Julie January

    (P.S. Seriously, though, what is the pricing on the jewellery like? It’s gorgeous!)

    —————–
    No apology needed. I agree with the son and your observation. So, again…no apology needed.
    Wes Robison
    —————–
    Good for Alan. I’m really happy that he wrote that. That is exactly how I feel, when people try to tell me that my step-father’s collection (Jean-Pierre Hallet) is not as good as they think it should be. I’ve been studying African Art since I was a child, and as you put it so elequently – There is “Gold among the Dust”.

    Sincerely,

    Janou Lightning
    africanartsetc.com
    —————–
    I cannot believe how rude some people can be….my husband and I were looking at the photos of the sale and wishing we were in NY so we could attend this sale. It is amazing how much a person can collect and what an interesting person he must have been. Thank you for sharing this with us.
    Sincerely,
    Dayna Griego
    ——————-
    I not only like this edition : I love it.
    And I love this definition “treasure-inventor”
    in the Laprugne’s interview.
    Franco
    ——————
    Dear Mr. NORDEN

    I agree with your client (the nephew of the old man) that amongst all these objects, presented “en vrac” as the French would put it, some pieces are collection items (the PLATH sextant is a very good example ) .
    But apart from that very sound remark, the reaction of many has nothing to do with “snobery” , as so many of them would love to find authentic African artefacts in the most unusual places and conditions, particularly outside of well-runned gallerys on Madison or “Les Sablons” (and I would be the first of them) .
    No , their reaction is “unsnobby” and only motivated by the fact that it surprising to see such an “Estate collection” and whatever its artistic and economic value, being presented to amateurs by a specialist of primitive art (and I totally share this opinion) . This collection has nothing or so little to do with primitive art, it was the responsibility of the primitive art specialist , either to discard or to select the very few pieces which could match his specialty .

    Now this is my personal opinion and I don’t feel furious , nor a “victim”, I just consider the first and only victim of such a mistake, is the specialist himself who endangers his own image and reputation .

    With kindest regards .

    Patrick WORMSER
    ————————–
    Mr. Norden,
    Your response was appropriate, but the apology was not necessary. You obviously
    expected too much of many of your readers who place trying to show off how smart they
    are over common courtesy and decorum.

    As for Alan, “a proud son,” he may not know all there is to know about antiquities but
    he is certainly not ignorant of the duplicity in marketing art.
    Sincerely yours,
    George Nelson Preston, Ph. D.
    —————–
    No apology required. I enjoyed reading your message and the heartfelt letter from son Alan. I am a true believer that it is possible to find gems amongst junk —- because I have done so!
    Jackson McDonald
    ———-
    David,
    Thanks for both these emails. I am an Australian living in London. I have collected tribal textiles and oceanic art for 25 years here and in Australia.
    I once sent £2500 with a US dealer but most of the time I never had that sort of money to collect except by going to flea markets and junk shops.
    I enjoy seeing the objects in Paris and New York dealers and auction web sites but I can’t afford to buy from them.

    So I enjoyed and had sympathy with the emails you have sent today.
    Good luck with your business.
    Thanks, John.
    ——————
    one of your best emails…thanks for taking the time to remind folk to be human…i was just thinking how cruel and coward people are with making their mean electronic comments, hiding behind their safe cyber walls…
    dr. koura
    —————-
    Well done – I agree with you and the son. I wish I was in New York – not London – because I would be going to the auction – and not with gloves either.

    Roy Anderson
    —————-
    Dear David,
    Thanks a lot for your mail, you are 100% right.
    Unfortunately a lot of people dont take the time and the excitement to try to find a good piece in the middle of what they call ” Junk piece”.
    I can see in the Alan father collection some very interessing pieces, the dust and dirt around is nothing, is like a treasure hunt.
    I give all my support to Alan.
    I am very geatfull to you for the enormous time you spent to promote the “African Art” . It is all the time with a great interest and pleasure i read you.
    I plan to see you in my next visit to Belgium, i will bring you one of the best south african wine to share.
    With all my respect.
    Philippe Calonne, General Manager from Epako game lodge in Namibia.
    ———
    David,
    Thank you for sticking up for this auction.
    All the snobs owe this gentleman’s son an apology.
    Have gloves, will dig.
    ———–
    I really don’t know why you are apologizing; you said it was a non-professional sale, and it *is* fun to actually bank your experience against an unknown quantity of material with a torch and gloves. As an archaeologist I can state with certainty that the dirt contains the best of everything: ‘where there’s muck there’s brass (money)’ as they say in northern England. I fear the son is right: those who view themselves as the elite are in fact merely ignorant snobs.

    Keep posting emails like that one, and ignore the gibberings of the misinformed.

    Lawrence
    —————–
    Dear David
    I absolutely loved the the pictures from the old mans apartment
    very best
    Tal R
    —————–
    David, Why would you forward the negative reactions/comments to the son of the owner of the collection??? I doubt you were wanting to insult him, but you must realize that he certainly could have taken it as an insult. Reading his reply, it seems he felt he was being insulted.

    If collectors are so arrogant that they can’t see through the dust … or the “presentation” isn’t to their liking, then that’s is their problem. I can imagine some arrogant bastard actually going to Africa to try to search out old artifacts … he’d want the floors swept before he walked on them.

    I’m in Venice, California, and if I was New York, I would go to look at the items. A few pieces in the photos caught my eye.

    I’m glad you have followed up with comments about making discoveries among junk. It’s so true. I have found some awesome antiques (of many varieties) among junk (literally among junk).

    Thanks !!

    John P. Jones
    —————-
    I think the apology owed is to the son not to your customers.
    Steve Horswill Seattle
    —————–

  10. Madeline from the Tag Sale Company says:

    John, I think you are totally misinformed. Your slanderous comments should be said to my face. I work very hard and am not in cahoots with anyone. I don’t dictate who is number 1 at my sales. You could be. I don’t presell to anyone. I have even started my own number system to prevent dealers from monopolizing my sales. I find it interesting that you feel comfortable behind this electronic shield. Why don’t you have to nerve to say this to my face. I work 7 days a week, 10 hours a day… I am very reputable and transparent in dealings with my customers. So cut the garbage John. Shame on you.

    • Roy says:

      I thought your job was to sell items?

      When one tries to negotiate prices once doesn’t expect your salesperson to start removing items from my pile at her own desecration and return them to the shelf because she doesn’t want to negotiate?

      Or to hear them bad mouth customers who just left the sale, because of their poor English? Luckily they were white eastern Europeans, and didn’t hear what she said. But I’m pretty shocked to hear comments like that given that you have many different ethnicities shopping at your sales.

  11. M & J J says:

    To Everyone Concerned:

    I am replying on my husband’s account. He was so horrified at the outrage people expressed at the dirt and dust, that he showed me the pictures and the son’s reply. What on earth is wrong with these people? I am 31, and about to go bankrupt myself due to health problems associated with Celiac disease. The collection is absolutely gorgeous and should be considered a wet dream. If I had the cash, I would buy every single piece of jewellery shown in the pics. Dust wipes off. Jewellery can be polished. Furthermore, if the individuals offended are so elite, they can just order their servants to clean the new pieces. When you go to a museum, and look at all the pretty things behind the glass, remember how much of that came out of the ground, the dirt itself. And when you’re older, and your body starts to crap out on you, and the medical bills just pile up and up with no end in sight and no way to pay, and you can’t afford to have servants cleaning up after you, I hope you look back on this experience and realize just how shallow and petty you were being over an issue that, if anything, will only serve to lower the price, making this collection an excellent investment, as, once everything is cleaned and polished, its value can only increase.

    To the son, I am deeply sorry for your loss, and even sorrier for the callousness and pettiness that you have had to endure during this painful time. David Norden, you owe no one an apology, we owe you and the estate holder one, and since no one else will give it, I will.

    Sincerely,
    M. and J. January

  12. Mary K. says:

    Dear David – - I do want to thank you for sending out the email blast for the NY estate. I immediately saw the same “junk” as everyone else did – the state of the place – etc. It would automatically turn-off a lot of people, who, as you well know already (as stated in your followup) that most people are not real hunters. They are after all the typical majority – so one should not be too surprised when you get this vocal stream of comments against it.

    What they should probably not be called is SNOBS either. I do not think most reactions have anything to do with snobbery, but they were simply being outspoken and honest about what they saw from the photos – they were probably wondering – why on earth is David sending us this? I thought he had a better eye, etc…

    On the other hand – I did, and I am sure there are others, who appreciated that you put this sale out there, knowing its potential, so there was no need for us to respond. I knew, when I saw the dolls, that probably there were things hidden within the trove that could be discovered. I was not appalled, but intrigued (especially since I am in the area), and knew whoever took the challenge would
    probably find something there. So please do not stop letting us know about these things.

    BUT – If I might be sold bold (I can’t help it – I am a New Yorker) – - what I might suggest – as you probably now already know – would be, in the future, to be certain to preface a sale like this – with statements that challenge those you are trying to reach & immediately let others know the score – such as “Beware – this estate sale is not for the timid – to find the diamond in the rough – you have to search out amongst the multitudes, this requires patience, and expect to get a
    little dirty” – This way you have covered yourself and your own reputation.

    I will make one other suggestion – and that would have been not to show these comments to the seller – - he was deeply hurt as was evident by his comments and lashing out calling them “snobs” – of course he would not be able to handle these very direct and brutal comments – he loved his father and would take this personally. My guess is that these people wrote these comments intending them for you, and had not written them for the seller to read, or they would have thought twice about HOW they said things. You could have easily handled it in the way that you have now – by letting people know your own travails in finding the diamonds, given all a proper tongue-lashing, and then the seller would have not needed to get involved and hurt. Whoever shows up, shows up after all.

    At any rate, David – You are obviously a good, and kind-hearted person amongst this crazy world that is tribal art fanatics. Thank you for everything you do, it IS appreciated.

  13. Gert Froehlich/Italy says:

    Dear David,
    after your explanation and the moving words of the son of the owner I understand your motives.
    Keep on going this way!
    Sincerely
    Gert

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